I ran Deca and Dbol with test. I also used Winnie the end. I used Deca for 16 weeks at 600 mg a week, along with sus at 1000mg a week. I used winnie the last 7 weeks as well. I used Winnie at 50mg a day. It gave me great vascularity and super pumps. I think 10 solid pounds was kept after 12 weeks for me.